... Children First!

(It doesn't mean Squeak First, or Python or Ruby First.)

Cheers,

Alan

At 07:24 PM 7/6/2006, Brad Fuller wrote:

Markus Gaelli wrote:

On Jul 7, 2006, at 12:46 AM, Brad Fuller wrote:

Serge Stinckwich wrote:

There is a report of Guido Van Rossum about an Alan Kay talk in his
web log here : http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=167318

this is sad to read:

Alan believes that Python has a much larger mindshare than Smalltalk or
Squeak, and that because of this a similar environment in Python will
have a greater chance of succeeding than the current Squeak one. Also,
the $100 laptop already has Python, and Alan is of course hoping that a
Squeak-like environment will be part of it, so this appears expedient.
(At the Shuttleworth summit in April
<http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=156162> I believe
Alan also suggested that Squeak is suffering from its extremely simple
graphics model; apparently it cannot benefit from graphics accelerator
cards because of its platform-independent architecture. Python on the
other hand already has bindings to OpenGL and DirectX, for example.)

--brad
sonaural

Hi folks,

let's be proud that Smalltalk was indispensable to come up with Etoys and let us accept the challenge.

I googled for python IDEs today and found
http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments
and there the most up to date IDE shootout of
http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html
and
http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/pycon-python-ide-review.html

I have to say that I was not impressed.

The IDEs were either not free: Wing, Komodo and in the future PyDev
based on Qt (Eric4)
had no liberal license (Gnu! ): SPE
couldn't eat their own dog food as they were based on Java: PyDev
or didn't have convincing screenshots: DrPython

Alan, which python IDE would you suggest us to widen our perspectives for ourselves, the job market and for helping to make the world a better place - if it is not Squeak?

I have no idea if Alan actually said that, there are not quotes. And, Alan can speak for himself. However(!), if the essence of the paraphrase is right, I think he's suggesting that Python can benefit from the work that Smalltalk has pioneered. But, I don't know if he's referring to the IDE, eToys, or what when he says "environment"

-- brad sonaural