7 Jul 2006 09:16
Re: "Children First!" means ...
Andreas Raab <andreas.raab <at> gmx.de>
2006-07-07 07:16:23 GMT
2006-07-07 07:16:23 GMT
Right. I *fully* support Alan's efforts to get these communities involved in the educational efforts - if we compete then the kids will ultimately win. If that is in Squeak or in Python or in Ruby, who cares? Cheers, - Andreas Alan Kay wrote: > ... Children First! > > (It doesn't mean Squeak First, or Python or Ruby First.) > > Cheers, > > Alan > > At 07:24 PM 7/6/2006, Brad Fuller wrote: >> Markus Gaelli wrote: >>> >>> On Jul 7, 2006, at 12:46 AM, Brad Fuller wrote: >>>> Serge Stinckwich wrote: >>>>> There is a report of Guido Van Rossum about an Alan Kay talk in his >>>>> web log here : >>>>> http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=167318 >>>> this is sad to read: >>>> >>>> Alan believes that Python has a much larger mindshare than Smalltalk or >>>> Squeak, and that because of this a similar environment in Python will >>>> have a greater chance of succeeding than the current Squeak one. Also, >>>> the $100 laptop already has Python, and Alan is of course hoping that a >>>> Squeak-like environment will be part of it, so this appears expedient. >>>> (At the Shuttleworth summit in April >>>> < >>>> <http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=156162>http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=156162> >>>> <http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=156162> I believe >>>> Alan also suggested that Squeak is suffering from its extremely simple >>>> graphics model; apparently it cannot benefit from graphics accelerator >>>> cards because of its platform-independent architecture. Python on the >>>> other hand already has bindings to OpenGL and DirectX, for example.) >>>> >>>> --brad >>>> sonaural >>>> >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> let's be proud that Smalltalk was indispensable to come up with Etoys >>> and let us accept the challenge. >>> >>> I googled for python IDEs today and found >>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments >>> and there the most up to date IDE shootout of >>> http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html >>> and >>> http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/pycon-python-ide-review.html >>> >>> I have to say that I was not impressed. >>> >>> The IDEs were either not free: Wing, Komodo and in the future PyDev >>> based on Qt (Eric4) >>> had no liberal license (Gnu! ): SPE >>> couldn't eat their own dog food as they were based on Java: PyDev >>> or didn't have convincing screenshots: DrPython >>> >>> Alan, which python IDE would you suggest us to widen our perspectives >>> for ourselves, the job market and for helping to make the world a >>> better place - if it is not Squeak? >> I have no idea if Alan actually said that, there are not quotes. And, >> Alan can speak for himself. However(!), if the essence of the >> paraphrase is right, I think he's suggesting that Python can benefit >> from the work that Smalltalk has pioneered. But, I don't know if he's >> referring to the IDE, eToys, or what when he says "environment" >> >> -- >> brad >> sonaural > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >