Re: Bootstrap (was Smalltalk for small projects only)

On 1 February 2012 10:40, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1 February 2012 03:55, Chris Cunnington
> <smalltalktelevision <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>> "If you compare building an automated bootstrap for Smalltalk
>>
>> (I just did one for Newspeak over the last few days)"
>>
>>
>> Hi Eliot,
>>
>> If you could say something about this bootstrap for Newspeak, it would
>> better inform Squeak's development.
>> Or at lease better inform this apparatchik. :)
>>
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2010-December/155965.html
>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2010-December/155981.html
>>
>> Clearly, you are not a fan of an image bootstrapped from external files
>> using an external compiler.
>> How is what you just did for Newspeak different?
>>
>>
>> " In Squeak the FFI, file system
>>
>> and external process interfaces are really weak.  A good challenge would be
>> to reimplement ANT (a Java application) in Squeak/Pharo."
>>
>>
>> Apache Ant. A build tool. We use CMake. A build tool for making vms.
>> I want to ask a question here, but I cannot, because I cannot see how that
>> relates to FFI.
>> I'm tempted to say you mean a build tool written in Smalltalk to grow  a
>> bootstrap nubbin...
>
> We do: it's called Metacello [1]. It lets you

<snip>

Now that I've caught up on the context of the discussion, Metacello's
useful for _Smalltalk_only_ things, unlike ant/maven/msbuild/etc.

If I had a project that had mixed components, with a Smalltalk
component, I'd probably reach for maven.

frank