RE: New Analyst Report Calls Agile a Scam, Says It's An Easy Out For Lazy Devs

Actually it sounds about right, but only in large organisations, 

1) Agile means that the developer becomes again an Analyst as they develop
the software based on a specification 
2) most large companies have a "senior Developer" or "Systems Analyst" who
is the person who is designing the software based on the specification and
giving small "parcels" of information to the developers so that they cannot
know the whole plan and duplicate it outside the company (nasty these
developers taking their knowledge with them) 
3) It is these companies that try to shoehorn the Agile methodology into the
mix and it is to them seeming like a waste of space, ie What are we paying
these Architects to produce if the developers ignore it and design it all
again their way...

So it is not a failure of Agile, more a failure of business to actually
realise that they can implement Agile and make it inclusive in the design
and development stage across the whole project and not have to employ a
Contractor or Architect to design their software before letting those really
useless developers touch it, they don't have the brains to work out how to
add two numbers....

And yes the Sarcasm is dripping out of there, Agile to me is the way to
allow the developers to shine and show what they can do, rather than code
monkeys to produce what an architect or systems analyst is too important to
code (for that read - can't code) 

Theresa.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 15 July 2012 20:51
To: extremeprogramming <at> yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [XP] New Analyst Report Calls Agile a Scam, Says It's An Easy
Out For Lazy Devs

I think that much of what is being sold as Agile is a way for lazy people,
many of whom are middle managers or bureaucrats (Which is what many
programmers have been forced to become in large organizations,) to implement
mindlessly what only works as a mindful process. So, I think the analysis
isn't too far off.

The problem isn't with the Agile community per se, it's with the notion that
large corporations can adopt Agile in a cookie cutter way. Many people are
buying that and so many people are selling it to them. It is snake oil.

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 12:04 PM, RonJeffries <ronjeffries <at> acm.org> wrote:

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> So they gave a survey to who knows whom, no one came, and therefore 
> Agile doesn't work.
> How that turns into an easy out for lazy devs escapes me entirely.
> About par for slashdot.
> R
> On Jul 15, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Ray Tayek wrote:
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> http://developers.slashdot.org/story/12/07/14/1242237/new-analyst-repo
> rt-calls-agile-a-scam-says-its-an-easy-out-for-lazy-devs
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> Ron Jeffries
> www.XProgramming.com
> I know we always like to say it'll be easier to do it now than it will 
> be to do it later. Not likely. I plan to be smarter later than I am 
> now, so I think it'll be just as easy later, maybe even easier.
> Why pay now when we can pay later?
>
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