Re: [OpenID] Canonical OpenID url form

So the short form of the story is: use xri for unicode (and then transform the xri into an https hxri).

Its been a month since I studied xri (and thus have forgotten 80 percent of it). I recall there was a syntax to
identify the address of the initial resolver. Is there a way tha this became the domain name componnt of the hxri

-----Original Message-----
From: Drummond Reed <drummond.reed <at> cordance.net>
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 11:34 PM
To: 'Johnny Bufu' <johnny.bufu <at> gmail.com>; 'Andrew Arnott' <andrewarnott <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 'OpenID List' <general <at> openid.net>
Subject: Re: [OpenID] Canonical OpenID url form

Also for the record, XRIs (which use the IRI character set) have a very
simple defined transformation into IRIs. Thus when an XRI needs to be sent
over-the-wire in an HTTP(S) URI, it must first be transformed into an IRI,
then you follow the IRI spec (RFC 3987) to transform into a URI as Johnny
describes below. Reverse the process to display back to the user.

See
http://docs.oasis-open.org/xri/xri-syntax/2.0/specs/cs01/xri-syntax-V2.0-cs.
html for all the gory details (and they are gory - Unicode is hard).

=Drummond

> -----Original Message-----
> From: general-bounces <at> openid.net [mailto:general-bounces <at> openid.net] On
> Behalf Of Johnny Bufu
> Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 10:52 PM
> To: Andrew Arnott
> Cc: OpenID List
> Subject: Re: [OpenID] Canonical OpenID url form
>
> For the record, since this continued in an offline thread:
>
> The issue is around the User-Supplied Identifiers. OpenID defines them
> as a type of Identifiers, which in turn defined as HTTP(S) URI or XRIs.
> HTTP(S) URI do not allow non-ASCII characters.
>
> So, out of scope of OpenID, parties accepting IRIs (other than XRIs)
> should follow the respective authoritative recommendations (i.e.
> RFC3987) before presenting such strings to the OpenID layer as HTTP
> URIs, and convert them back to IRI form later on when they need to be
> displayed back to the users.
>
> Johnny
>
> On 08/07/08 10:32 PM, Andrew Arnott wrote:
> > Thanks, Johnny.  I've had some conversations with a few other people
> > who draw the opposite conclusion and believe that the %AB%CD notation
> > is the canonical form.
> >
> > You make a good point about having to unescape the characters from
> > the URI just above the transport layer, but I believe you're applying
> >  section 4.1 to the URL when it should only be applied to the
> > key/value pairs.  The OpenID ClaimedIdentifier, which by the spec is
> > the last URL to respond without an HTTP redirect, cannot be in
> > unicode by the URI specification because unicode characters are not
> > allowed, whether that is UTF8 or UTF16.
> >
> > Name/value pairs passed as part of a querystring may (and as the
> > section you quote requires) be encoded as UTF-8, but they are
> > subsequently URI encoded as %AB%CD hex characters (thus doubly
> > encoded) so they are actually no longer UTF-8 at the transport layer.
> >  Since the OpenID URL, around which all the identity of OpenID is
> > focused (omiting XRIs which don't suffer from this problem) /is/ at
> > the transport layer of the way the security requirements force the
> > claimed identifier to be discovered, is all about the transport
> > layer, I believe it would be a mistake to add semantics on top of
> > that and call it canonical.
> >
> > What I also realized from some other conversations is that this
> > doesn't really matter.  As long as an OP or RP is consistent within
> > itself in storing and comparing Claimed Identifiers, whether it
> > stores and compares %AB%CD or the unicode equivalent character won't
> > matter to anyone, since on the protocol/wire level it is always
> > %AB%CD.  However, I think unescaping the URL and getting the original
> >  unicode characters back is very useful and should be done for
> > purposes of displaying to the user.
> >
> > I think for the security and guaranteed identity of the protocol,
> > there is a meaningful side to this though.  It has not got to do with
> >  how the claimed identifier is stored, but rather how a unicode
> > string is escaped for URI transport.  A given unicode string may be
> > represented by more than just one series of bytes.  Unicode
> > characters exist that in UTF-8 or UTF-16 have multiple byte sequences
> >  /for the same character/. Therefore someone who is typing in their
> > OpenID url to a site using one method during one visit, and then
> > types it in to the same site using a different method on a subsequent
> >  visit, will only be identified by the RP as the same visitor if
> > OpenID requires that the RP transforms whatever unicode string is
> > given by the user to the canonical byte form as defined by the
> > unicode standard before transit.  For example, the letter 'Á' can be
> > encoded as a single character or using composition by adding an
> > accent to the A character.  Both are legal, but the unicode standard
> > defines one as canonical (I think).  But if a string containing this
> > character is not canonicalized first, then although the character is
> > equivalent to the user and to unicode, the encoded %AB%CD string will
> > be different, resulting in security problems for OpenID because
> > people could overload a single Identifier just by using different
> > encodings at an OP, or fail to log into an RP depending on how they
> > craft their string. By the way, I say 'unicode' in the strict sense,
> > applying to UTF-8, UTF-16, etc.  Unicode is commonly used to refer to
> > just UTF-16, but this problem applies to all unicode character sizes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > So I think OpenID should be more explicit about its unicode support
> > for Identifiers, including mandating a canonical Unicode form.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Johnny Bufu <johnny.bufu <at> gmail.com
> > <mailto:johnny.bufu <at> gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 08/07/08 03:01 PM, Andrew Arnott wrote:
> >
> > What is the canonical form of an OpenID URL? One with the %AB%CD hex
> > encoding for unicode chars in the URL or with the actual unicode
> > chars? For the purposes of displaying to the user and storing in the
> > RP's database.
> >
> > The spec doesn't seem to have anything to say on this.
> >
> >
> > I believe it does say:
> >
> > 4.1.  Protocol Messages The OpenID Authentication protocol messages
> > are mappings of plain-text keys to plain-text values. The keys and
> > values permit the full Unicode character set (UCS). When the keys and
> >  values need to be converted to/from bytes, they MUST be encoded
> > using UTF-8 [RFC3629].
> >
> > http://openid.net/specs/openid-authentication-2_0.html#anchor4
> >
> >
> > The reason I think it's not a simple automatic answer is the unicode
> > chars may be what the user typed in and what exists on the server,
> > but in transit, these characters are translated to %AB%CD in order to
> >  be validly escaped URI strings.
> >
> >
> > The receiving party must decode them to the original form when they
> > are extracted from the transport layer.
> >
> >
> > So one could argue that the unicode characters are never part of the
> > protocol
> >
> >
> > One would then be ignoring the parts of the protocol that do not deal
> >  with the transport layer directly.
> >
> >
> > Johnny
> >
> >
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