Re: [Sigia-l] tagging software

actually, i see that i misread the initial post. the user would do the
tagging. she just wants a computer to generate a cloud.

still, thanks for the link.

On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 1:08 PM, W Evans <wkevans4 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Here is the paper:
>
> Pawan Deshpande. Thesis Supervisor: Regina Barzilay.
> Decoding Algorithms for Complex Natural Language Tasks. M. Eng. Thesis.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 1:07 PM, W Evans <wkevans4 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> > There are certainly a couple (mostly in very very early stage
> development), that will do "tagging" of a person's content by the machine
> once it's in a machine readable format. But it's not called tagging, it's
> called semantic analysis - and it's not quite there yet (under very very
> controlled academic circumstances where all data is normalized beforehand, I
> know one NLP researcher at MIT able to get matching accuracy of machine tags
> to 85+%. In the real world - it's around 50% given perfect grammar and no
> slang or idioms
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Frank Shepard <fgshepard <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > but, in this case, the user isn't the tagger. the computer is. crowds
> > > don't have a monopoly on "wisdom" ...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 12:50 PM, W Evans <wkevans4 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I also think one of the biggest benefits of tagging is information
> discovery
> > > > and findability. This means surfing down tag clouds of artifacts other
> > > > people tagged. The upfront cost of tagging approaches zero -
> especially when
> > > > distributed. If you are both the tagger and the consumer of the
> tag....
> > > > wouldn't you just create an organization scheme you can stick to?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 12:46 PM, W Evans <wkevans4 <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Because then it's not tagging, it's generating a custom taxonomy
> without
> > > > the hierarchy.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Frank Shepard <fgshepard <at> gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "If a machine is going to tag something - you might as well employ
> > > > > > full blown natural language
> > > > > > processing to pull out entities and relationships from content.
> But this
> > > > is
> > > > > > not, nor can it be, the point behind tagging."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why not? if the context is a single user and her data, why not
> allow a
> > > > > > machine to generate tags? What's the objection to that?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Frank
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 12:19 PM, W Evans <wkevans4 <at> gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > Isn't the whole point behind the CogSci of tagging of content to
> > > > generate
> > > > > > >  folksonomies is that it's done by many people and the content
> get's
> > > > tag
> > > > > > >  attributes organically through the wisdom of crowds. If a
> machine is
> > > > going
> > > > > > >  to tag something - you might as well employ full blown natural
> > > > language
> > > > > > >  processing to pull out entities and relationships from content.
> But
> > > > this is
> > > > > > >  not, nor can it be, the point behind tagging.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Sarah Dilling
> <sarahd <at> gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > Hi there,
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  > I have a pile of things (internal mailing lists, if you're
> > > > curious).
> > > > > > >  > I'd like to tag them and have software generate a tag cloud
> for me.
> > > > > > >  > Doesn't need to be web accessible or anything, just my
> curiosity
> > > > and
> > > > > > >  > perhaps a jumping off point.
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  > Does anyone know of a free-standing piece of tag software
> that does
> > > > > > >  > this? Or do I have to abuse del.icio.us or write my own?
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > >  > SarahD
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> and what you innovate are design problems"
> -------------------------------------------------------
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