RE: Fwd: [SoCal-Autism] Friday's SuperNanny features child with autism

--- Tink <tink.lecuyer <at> verizon.net> wrote:

> I was very sorry to hear about the licensing issue.  Maybe it is time
> to get
> out of Santa Barbara.  

It was time to get out of SB two years ago.  I'm going to try to do
something about the licensing problem.  The reason they gave wasn't
even on their list of revokable items.

> Try to keep on the sunny side as Ben likes to
> write
> sometimes.  

"Keeping on the sunny side" is one of my forte's.

> Going to to be brief here - the kids have been sick -so
> my
> thinking is pooped.  Keeping you & all in positive thoughts ~

I had a feeling you were having tough times.  Sorry to hear about the
kids.  It is that time of year though.  The transition and all must be
tough on you guys.  I hope all is well soon. 

Tom

> ~*~ Tink
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com]On
> Behalf Of Tom Smith
>   Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 6:09 PM
>   To: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com
>   Subject: RE: [Autismlist] Fwd: [SoCal-Autism] Friday's SuperNanny
> features
> child with autism
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   --- Tink <tink.lecuyer <at> verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>   > good grief - I feel sick to my stomach.   Is this the same KOEGEL
> who
>   > trained under Ivar LOVAAS?
> 
>   Of course.  That's how one furthers their career in autism and it's
> all
>   well supported by the majority of parents, that is by young parents
> who
>   know didley of course.  The others drop out of advocacy.
> 
>   > No wonder they got the 2.3 million dollar
>   > "gift."    Where'd the term "pivotal response" come from?
> 
>   They pulled it out of their ass.  Maybe they got it from Tito's mom
> and
>   her "Rapid Response" technique of FC.
> 
>   > I've seen
>   > a
>   > couple of those Nanny shows.  She's okay with very young
> children,
>   > who do
>   > respond well to her ways.   How does Koegel claim "expert"
> status?
> 
>   Studying under the Great Igor Lovass.  They've also taught and ran
> the
>   autism research center at ucsb for quite awhile.
> 
>   > If
>   > she's still pushing behavioral "pivotal response" then she's not
>   > understanding the neuromotor aspects of autism.
> 
>   Her and 99% of the autism experts.  They want to train that deficit
> to
>   death is probably how they respond.  As for psychological effects,
> well
>   autistics aren't really aware until they have speech.  That's the
>   theory behind behaviorism but the behaviorists will cover it up
> with
>   parents in an attempt not to hurt their feelings.
> 
>   > And what is the
>   > track
>   > record of this center with work, inclusion, and assistance to
> older
>   > children, teens, & adults?
> 
>   Zip.  When I went to meet with Lynn in '94 about my work with FC
> and
>   adult autistics, she was very nice but wasn't interested.  No money
>   there Tink anyway.
> 
>   > I'll better zip-o.  And, as usual,
>   > everyone is
>   > going to miss the point of this child's "miraculous" conversion -
> he
>   > was
>   > simply freaking INCLUDED as another member of the family.   Who
> made
>   > him the
>   > "outsider" to begin with?    It says "step by step Koegel helps
> the
>   > parents
>   > keep Tristin from his disruptive behaviors."   God.  Wonder Bread
> me
>   > to
>   > death with homogenization.
> 
>   They are very nice and gentle folks Tink.  It comforts the parents.
> 
>   > This show is on ABC?   Funny - because the money that was
> "awarded"
>   > to this
>   > behavioral center came from the man who serves on the Autism
> Speaks
>   > board of
>   > directors [Mr. Kelly] which is actually a sprout from the NBC
> group.
>   > My, As
>   > The World Turns - my stomach gets sicker.
> 
>   Me too.  I don't know if there is a connection, but I just found
> out I
>   can no longer work on the computers next to the autism research
> center
>   where I have been doing this net advocacy for almost ten years.
>   Yesterday I got word that my nursing licsense has been revoked and
>   according to the state regs it shouldn't have been revoked.  35
> years
>   toiling with the most disabled nobally.  Thankless work?  I never
>   imagined it to be this thankless.  58 years old and time to start
> over.
>   Now I can't even use the computers to practice web design.
> 
>   > way hey - tow them away, the Lincoln Park pirates.
> 
>   They're towing US away.
> 
>   Tom
> 
>   > :oP :::phbblt:::
>   >   -----Original Message-----
>   >   From: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com
>   > [mailto:autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com]On
>   > Behalf Of Tom Smith
>   >   Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 3:11 PM
>   >   To: Autismlist
>   >   Subject: [Autismlist] Fwd: [SoCal-Autism] Friday's SuperNanny
>   > features
>   > child with autism
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > >   >
>   >   >       Lynn Kern Koegel, Ph.D is one of the world's foremost
>   > experts
>   >   > on the treatment of autism. She and her husband, Robert L.
>   > Koegel,
>   >   > Ph.D., founded the renowned Koegel Autism Center at the
> Graduate
>   >   > School of Education at the University of California, Santa
>   > Barbara.
>   >   > She co-wrote the bestselling book on autism, Overcoming
> Autism:
>   >   > Finding the Answers, Strategies, and Hope that can Transform
> a
>   >   > Child's Life, which was recently released in paperback, and
> also
>   >   > co-authored, with Robert Koegel, the new book, Pivotal
> Response
>   >   > Treatments for Autism.
>   >   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
> 
> 
> 
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