1 Dec 2005 20:57
Re: FW: "a-u-t-i-s-m" ~ heretics-R-Us
autisticdreaming <autisticdreaming <at> yahoo.com>
2005-12-01 19:57:02 GMT
2005-12-01 19:57:02 GMT
sorry about the confusion, we were in a homeschooling group with the kids. i was checking mail and they arent on autismlist so their post couldnt go to the group from there. it wasnt about no crossposting thingy, no. it went only to tink but they wanted it posted out.. crabtail. --- In autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com, Tom Smith <qim <at> y...> wrote: > > > > --- Tink <tink.lecuyer <at> v...> wrote: > > > Thomas ... > > no. that's not why i helped to post it. Don't worry about *why* it > > was as > > it was. Read the message instead. You're not a boy. Bad? Well > > .... your > > own judgment. > > I'm a good boy <smile>. Some black guys I used to live with years ago > copped that attitude about "boy" alot. I tried to explain to them that > it was a habit using "boy" amongst my hippie friends. We used to like > pretending that we were rednecks and used it in an affectionate way. I > don't think they understood. > > :oD <my big grin> > > The message reads: Not done yet. love, peace, be gentle. be > > patient with > > your brothers. [i'm pretty sure that's it, anyways] > > Sounds like they are talking to me. Actually I knew that somehow. > > > big bad girl, > > ~*~ tink > > Big bad Tinkerbell. > > Love, > > Peter Pan > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com]On > > Behalf Of Tom Smith > > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:56 PM > > To: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [Autismlist] FW: "a-u-t-i-s-m" ~ heretics-R-Us > > > > > > > > > > --- Tink <tink.lecuyer <at> v...> wrote: > > > > > hi all, > > > this message is forwarded to autismlist on behalf of crabtail and > > the > > > group > > > in FL, in response to "magic school bus" > > > ~*~ tink > > > > Oh jeeze, now autisticdreaming (crabtail) is posting from you? I > > bet > > it's because of the cross posting thing eh? > > > > "You're a bad boy Tommy" > > > > Tom > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: notify <at> yahoogroups.com [mailto:notify <at> yahoogroups.com] On > > > Behalf Of > > > > crabtail > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 11:04 AM > > > > To: Tink > > > > Subject: Re: "a-u-t-i-s-m" ~ heretics-R-Us > > > > > > im getting messages like this as well. 'nt dn yt' and 'lv pc b > > jntl' > > > and 'b pai schnt wd ur brdrz. > > > > > > and my nephew took out a t-shirt that had written on it "we see > > > things as we are, not as they are. the talmud" so i think i > > worry > > > much for their future. i'm so much fearful with such lack of > > support > > > out there that their future be threatened. > > > > > > > but i remember a time when there was nothing i feared, nothing > > that > > > caused me concern. fear, worry, doubt, that i learned here. but > > need > > > not be part of me. i have faith in the children they see wider > > than > > > i > > > do. > > > > > > > and i agree with you as well tink, someting is happening just > > > underneath the surface that will reflect in our lifetime. > > > > > > crabtail > > > > > > > > > > > --- In autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com, "Tink" <tink.lecuyer <at> v...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "magic school bus - under construction." "Made possible by > > The > > > > Corporation > > > > > for Public Broadcasting with the support of viewers like > > you." > > > > > Ben > > > > > You know Tom, sometimes we do things, make choices - based on > > the > > > > best of > > > > > our abilities with what we have to work with in any given > > moment. > > > > We do our > > > > > best. Many things play behind the scenes and many of those > > > things > > > > can't be > > > > > spoken of, as they await their time. Sometimes those > > choices do > > > > not win us > > > > > friends or influence enemies. Sometimes they do, but more > > often > > > > not. As > > > > > you've come to know. ;o) One day, and I don't believe it's > > in a > > > > distant > > > > > future - more will be clear. Those who judged will > > understand > > > > better and > > > > > the vindication Geoff spoke of will be self-evident. I > > believe > > > > it. Maybe > > > > > the worst thing we do is judge others harshly before all the > > > pieces > > > > are made > > > > > clear. We may not always agree with each other's "politics" > > ... > > > > but people > > > > > best damn well know how much of a path you did, indeed, free > > up > > > for > > > > little > > > > > ones like Ben. We'll always be thankful for that. > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ tink > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com > > > [mailto:autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com] > > > > On > > > > > Behalf Of Tom Smith > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 2:21 PM > > > > > To: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com > > > > > Subject: RE: [Autismlist] Re: "a-u-t-i-s-m" ~ heretics-R- Us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Tink <tink.lecuyer <at> v...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > p.s. --- sorry. Ben wanted to add here: Cowboy Pooh. > > Home > > > on > > > > the > > > > > > free > > > > > > range. ;o) > > > > > > > > > > "Free range autistics". I got a laugh out of that last nite. > > > Space > > > > > cowboys of the new age. Actually, autism is by nature free > > > range. > > > > I > > > > > ought to know. I was the cowboy trying to keep them > > contained. > > > The > > > > > only thing that was contained was me. > > > > > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com > > > > > > [mailto:autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com]On > > > > > > Behalf Of Tink > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 7:00 PM > > > > > > To: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: RE: [Autismlist] Re: "a-u-t-i-s-m" ~ > > heretics-R-Us > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com > > > > > > [mailto:autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com]On > > > > > > Behalf Of autisticdreaming > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 2:29 PM > > > > > > To: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Subject: [Autismlist] Re: "a-u-t-i-s-m" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hello tink i looked up spirit walker and found > > > "...PohTikaWah > > > > > > which > > > > > > is a word that essentially means A SpiritWalker, or one > > > that > > > > can > > > > > > easily walk through the veil as it is called between > > the > > > > physical > > > > > > and > > > > > > Spiritual realms. PohTikaWah is also loosely translated > > as > > > to > > > > > > being a > > > > > > Medicine Man. > > > > > > > > > > > > ** :o) > > > > > > > > > > > > and DREAMWALKER? A dreamwalker is an individual who > > > utilizes a > > > > > > dream > > > > > > and works within a dream to comprehend, develop, heal, > > > teach > > > > and > > > > > > become one with the ultimate One. By entering the dream > > > realm, > > > > > > dreamwalkers have the ability to discover hidden > > truths, > > > > higher > > > > > > wisdom and understanding through intuitive dream > > > channeling. > > > > > > > > > > > > heresy which was the term jediah used to describe > > herself: > > > as > > > > > > defined > > > > > > in webster's: opinion contrary to orthodox opinion, > > > teaching, > > > > or > > > > > > belief. heretic: one holding opinions contrary to > > orthodox > > > > faith. > > > > > > > > > > > > something is really clicking with the heretic. mostly > > > because > > > > > > jediah > > > > > > don't say much unless it means something. > > > > > > > > > > > > **** yes. have been thinking much about this one. I > > keep > > > > going > > > > > > back > > > > > > to the word forms here: > > > > > > [Middle English heretik, from Old French heretique, > > from > > > Late > > > > > > Latin > > > > > > haereticus, from Greek hairetikos, able to choose, > > factious, > > > from > > > > > > hairetos, > > > > > > chosen, from haireisthai, to choose. See heresy.] > > > > > > The "able to choose" reminded me that some "soul > > thinkers" > > > > > > believe that > > > > > > some of us come here by choice and some of us don't. Karma > > > thing. > > > > > > I also > > > > > > keep thinking "hairy toes" and "hare tickles" Knowing my > > > thoughts > > > > > > are > > > > > > strange, am posting them anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > And more seriously on the "dogma" aspect. You wrote > > the > > > > > > "absence of > > > > > > dogma" would equal ??? . Maybe Freedom. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~*~ Tink > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crabtail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com, "Tink" > > > <tink.lecuyer <at> v...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Brian, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you've hit upon something important and I think > > > words > > > > can > > > > > > and > > > > > > do serve > > > > > > > to divide and cloud as well as unite and clarify. > > So, > > > > let's go > > > > > > to > > > > > > it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The current criteria used for clinical diagnosis of > > > Autism > > > > is > > > > > > based > > > > > > on the > > > > > > > DSM. Following it is the original Kanner "criteria." > > > You > > > > may > > > > > > note > > > > > > that the > > > > > > > current criteria strays not far from Kanner's > > original. > > > > There > > > > > > is no > > > > > > > inclusion of sensory integrative disorders and I > > believe > > > > that > > > > > > since > > > > > > it is a > > > > > > > "stand alone" type of disorder, it should be a > > different > > > > axis. > > > > > > There are > > > > > > > people not autistic who have sensory integration > > issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only other "word" that would make sense to me if > > we > > > > were to > > > > > > replace > > > > > > > "autism" would be something that would translate to > > this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "here to challenge every notion we may hold about the > > > world > > > > and > > > > > > ourselves." > > > > > > > Maybe some language guru could help us find some > > nice, > > > > obscure > > > > > > Greek or > > > > > > > Latin term that could fit and when brought into > > public > > > > > > awareness - > > > > > > would > > > > > > > seem *new!* and *wonderful!* and *improved!* and > > everyone > > > > would > > > > > > want it! > > > > > > > [yea - am being facetious] But, it does bear some > > > thought. > > > > > > :o) > > > > > > > ~*~ Tink > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following is from the Diagnostic and Statistical > > > Manual > > > > of > > > > > > Mental > > > > > > > Disorders, Fourth Edition (DSM IV): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DIAGNOSTIC CRITERIA FOR 299.00 AUTISTIC DISORDER > > > > > > > A. A total of six (or more) items from (1), (2), > > and > > > > (3), > > > > > > with > > > > > > at > > > > > > > least two from (1), and one each from (2) and (3) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) qualitative impairment in social interaction, > > as > > > > > > manifested > > > > > > by > > > > > > > at least two of the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) marked impairments in the use of multiple > > > nonverbal > > > > > > behaviors > > > > > > > such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body > > > > posture, > > > > > > and > > > > > > > gestures to regulate social interaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) failure to develop peer relationships > > appropriate > > > to > > > > > > > developmental level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) a lack of spontaneous seeking to share > > enjoyment, > > > > > > interests, > > > > > > or > > > > > > > achievements with other people, (e.g., by a lack > > of > > > > > > showing, > > > > > > > bringing, or pointing out objects of interest to > > > other > > > > > > people) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d) lack of social or emotional reciprocity ( > > note: in > > > > the > > > > > > > description, it gives the following as examples: > > not > > > > > > actively > > > > > > > participating in simple social play or games, > > > preferring > > > > > > solitary > > > > > > > activities, or involving others in activities > > only as > > > > tools > > > > > > or > > > > > > > "mechanical" aids ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) qualitative impairments in communication as > > > > manifested > > > > > > by at > > > > > > > least one of the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) delay in, or total lack of, the development of > > > spoken > > > > > > language > > > > > > > (not accompanied by an attempt to compensate > > through > > > > > > alternative > > > > > > > modes of communication such as gesture or mime) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) in individuals with adequate speech, marked > > > > impairment > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > ability to initiate or sustain a conversation > > with > > > > others > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) stereotyped and repetitive use of language or > > > > > > idiosyncratic > > > > > > > language > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d) lack of varied, spontaneous make-believe play > > or > > > > social > > > > > > > imitative play appropriate to developmental level > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (3) restricted repetitive and stereotyped > > patterns of > > > > > > behavior, > > > > > > > interests and activities, as manifested by at > > least > > > two > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a) encompassing preoccupation with one or more > > > > stereotyped > > > > > > and > > > > > > > restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal > > > either > > > > in > > > > > > > intensity or focus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > b) apparently inflexible adherence to specific, > > > > > > nonfunctional > > > > > > > routines or rituals > > > > > > > > > > > > > > c) stereotyped and repetitive motor mannerisms > > (e.g > > > > hand or > > > > > > finger > > > > > > > flapping or twisting, or complex whole-body > > > movements) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d) persistent preoccupation with parts of objects > > > > > > > > > > > > > > B. Delays or abnormal functioning in at least one > > of > > > the > > > > > > following > > > > > > > areas, with onset prior to age 3 years: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (1) social interaction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (2) language as used in social communication > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (3) symbolic or imaginative play > > > > > > > > > > > > > > C. The disturbance is not better accounted for by > > > Rett's > > > > > > Disorder > > > > > > > or Childhood Disintegrative Disorder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Lorna Wing's writings: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kanner's Criteria > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kanner gave vivid descriptions in his first paper > > > (Kanner, > > > > > > 1943), > > > > > > but did > > > > > > > not operationalise his diagnostic criteria. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kanner and Eisenberg (1956) discussed Kanner's > > original > > > > > > conception > > > > > > of autism > > > > > > > and the five features he considered to be diagnostic. > > > These > > > > > > were, a > > > > > > profound > > > > > > > lack of affective contact with other people; an > > anxiously > > > > > > obsessive > > > > > > desire > > > > > > > for the preservation of sameness in the child's > > routines > > > and > > > > > > environment; a > > > > > > > fascination for objects, which are handled with skill > > in > > > > fine > > > > > > motor > > > > > > > movements; mutism or a kind of language that does not > > > seem > > > > > > intended > > > > > > for > > > > > > > inter-personal communication; good cognitive > > potential > > > > shown in > > > > > > feats of > > > > > > > memory or skills on performance tests, especially the > > > > S�guin > > > > > > form > > > > > > board. > > > > > > > Kanner also emphasized onset from birth or before 30 > > > months. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the same paper, Kanner and Eisenberg modified the > > > > diagnostic > > > > > > criteria by > > > > > > > selecting two as essential. These were: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. a profound lack of affective contact > > > > > > > 2. repetitive, ritualistic behaviour, which must be > > of an > > > > > > elaborate > > > > > > kind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They considered that, if these two features were > > present, > > > > the > > > > > > rest > > > > > > of the > > > > > > > typical clinical picture would also be found. Lotter > > used > > > > the > > > > > > two > > > > > > features > > > > > > > in his final identification of autistic children and > > in > > > the > > > > > > division into > > > > > > > 'nuclear' and 'non-nuclear groups. He operationalised > > the > > > > > > criteria > > > > > > and gave > > > > > > > examples of the behaviour (Lotter, 1967b). He did not > > > > include > > > > > > age > > > > > > of onset > > > > > > > as essential. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com > > > > > > [mailto:autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com]On > > > > > > > Behalf Of .. Brian Henson .. > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 10:26 AM > > > > > > > To: autismlist <at> yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Subject: [Autismlist] "a-u-t-i-s-m" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is "a-u-t-i-s-m" an appropriate term for the > > condition > > > > that > > > > > > it > > > > > > refers to? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The suffix "ism" connotes "belief in" something, > > such > > > as: > > > > > > belief > > > > > > in > > > > > > > a nation ("nationalism"), belief in capital > > > > ("capitalism"), > > > > > > belief in a > > > > > > > commune ("communism"), belief in the Bhudda > > > ("Bhuddism"), > > > > and > > > > > > > also connotes the practicing of that belief > > referred to > > > > (such > > > > > > as > > > > > > > "voyeurism"). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The prefix "aut" is an abbreviated form of the > > > > suffix "auto", > > > > > > which > > > > > > > connotes "self" (as in "automobile", or self mode > > of > > > > > > movement). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, the terms, together, despite their brevity > > and > > > > ease > > > > > > in > > > > > > > vernacular forms, are questionable in the current > > > meaning > > > > of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > what "autism" connotes in society at large. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Would anyone have a suggestion of another term > > ("for > > > > better > > > > > > or > > > > > > > worse") that could replace the term "autism", > > itself? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, does anyone have a list of what, indeed, > > > constitutes > > > > > > the > > > > > > > meaning of the condition known by the term "autism" > > in > > > the > > > > > > > world, today? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These questions form part of the foundation or > > bedrock > > > of > > > > > > > what people are speaking about when they refer to > > > > > > "a-u-t-i-s-m", > > > > > > > and could be the basis of the new term that might > > > > eventually > > > > > > > replace the original word "autism". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > -- > > > > > > -------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > avast! 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