13 Dec 02:09
Re: Laundry list for NGC (long post) -- How does Koha measure up?
Dobbs, Aaron <AWDobbs <at> SHIP.EDU>
2006-12-13 01:09:11 GMT
2006-12-13 01:09:11 GMT
Biblio ~ Book Graphic ~ Representation (or something loosely similar) Maybe it's time for a semantic change? (Away from container-based description) Arguably, a [book / video / recording / etc] is a container for (or perhaps an iteration or expression of) the content (which is arguably similar and certainly not exactly the same from book to released movie to director's cut). From a librarian point of view, the distinction is important information. From many users' points of view, the important thing is the succinctness of the answer to a colloquial request, e.g. "Do you have Rocky VII, yet?" They don't want (as a user *I* certainly don't want) a list of five separate records which will take five different clicks and backtracks (for a total of at least 10 clicks) to find out that yes, we do have Rocky VII - in (record 1) VHS, *click Back* *Click 2nd link* and in (record 2) book, *click Back* *Click next link* and in (record 3) large print, *click Back* *Click next link* and in (record 4) DVD, *click Back* *Click next link* and in (record 5) a book with a slightly different series title that is actually a duplicate of record 3. The ubiquitous "they" want what the systems designers in the post below want, a single response screen with info about *all* the related expressions of the content -- and they want the power to decide which expression will suit their needs at that moment in time. To quote Karen(S) "The user isn't broken." If we accept KGS's observation as valid, perhaps cataloging rules (which negatively impact the users' desired record display) are the problem? (No, I don't have an elegant solution; I'd accept even a half-baked solution if it presented itself and didn't break stuff in the process) Individual records for individual records types have a purpose in an inventory control sense, but these are artificial constraints when the users' desires aren't fully known (as in a general keyword or other free-text search). -Aaron' PS I just heard Rocky VII is in filming -- "Rocky 5000" doesn't seem so far-fetched any more... -----Original Message----- From: Next generation catalogs for libraries [mailto:NGC4LIB <at> listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 7:14 PM To: NGC4LIB <at> listserv.nd.edu Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] Laundry list for NGC (long post) -- How does Koha measure up? Joshua Ferraro wrote: > The item record: > http://www.library.org.nz/cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?bib=35551 > contains several material types: Video, DVD, Fiction, Talking Book, etc. > This is one of those areas where systems designers have been locking horns with the cataloging rules for quite a while. It even has its own name: the multiple versions problem, or "mulver." I would love to see the next generation of rules fix this... The current rules require that each Manifestation (in FRBR-speak) have its own bibliographic record. In the case of copies (a microfilm copy of a journal), the records for the original and the copy are virtually identical because they must both describe the original item. In the case of items that were issued in multiple formats, each format gets its own cataloging. Today, the difference between "different formats" and "copies" is blurred: is a case of a document in Word that is also saved as PDF a copy, or a different format? What if you can't tell which is the "original"? Anyway, what many libraries would like to see (and some are doing already in a kludge) is using the MARC Holdings record or their library system's item record to record the data, much like it appears Koha does. But those libraries cannot share that data in that format, because it violates the MARC standard and the cataloging rules. It also doesn't provide them with the fields they need to provide all of the format-specific data (i.e. the print book is 300 pages long and the audio book is 6 CDs and lasts 8 hours, and is read by Mr. T.) With the big digitization projects going on, this means that every time a book is digitized, a new record will be added to the library catalog. Sheeeesh! And not good library service. My fear is that the next set of rules will not address this issue, but systems designers will be expected to magically make the data look more like what the user wants. kc -- ----------------------------------- Karen Coyle / Digital Library Consultant kcoyle <at> kcoyle.net http://www.kcoyle.net ph.: 510-540-7596 fx.: 510-848-3913 mo.: 510-435-8234 ------------------------------------
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PS I just heard Rocky VII is in filming -- "Rocky 5000" doesn't seem so
far-fetched any more...
-----Original Message-----
From: Next generation catalogs for libraries
[mailto:NGC4LIB <at> listserv.nd.edu] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 7:14 PM
To: NGC4LIB <at> listserv.nd.edu
Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] Laundry list for NGC (long post) -- How does Koha
measure up?
Joshua Ferraro wrote:
> The item record:
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