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From: ade armando <im_armando-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w <at> public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: SEJARAH ISRAEL & PALESTINA (1517-1917 dibawah KEKUASAAN KERAJAAN OTTOMAN) (ENGLISH VERSION)
Newsgroups: gmane.culture.media.mediacare
Date: Friday 11th June 2010 12:02:22 UTC (over 6 years ago)
You are so funny, Leo Tobing.
Maaf, saya memang nggak bisa ngajari kamu ngelewak lebih lucu lagi.
Agak bodoh, tapi beneran lucu ......
Kan aku bilang, tulis dong rujukannya.
Kalau pernah sekolah, pernah belajar yang namanya referensi kan?
Nah karena sejarah yang Anda tulis itu mengandung banyak materi yang nampak
meragukan, tolong beri kami (pembaca) referensinya
ade armando

--- In [email protected], "LEO TOBING"
 wrote:
>
> Elo tulis aja counternya ...
> Knapa jadi kaya juri, boss? 
> Emangnya Gw lagi ikutan lomba Karya ilmiah? Halaahhh ... Jangan ngajarin
ikan berenang, boss ... 
> 
> 
>  
> Regards,
> LEO TOBING 
> 
> 
> ~My precious, precious child, I love you and I would never leave you ~
> 
> 
> -----
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "ade armando" 
> Sender: [email protected]
> Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:19:20 
> To: 
> Reply-To: [email protected]
> Subject: [mediacare] Re: SEJARAH ISRAEL & PALESTINA (1517-1917 dibawah
KEKUASAAN KERAJAAN OTTOMAN) (ENGLISH VERSION)
> 
> 
> Leo kalau nulis sejarah, mbok ya tulis rujukannya...
> Terutama mengingat tulisan ini berakhir dengan kesimpulan bahwa
sebenarnya yang berlangsung di Palestina adalah perang antara 'barbarisme'
(Arab) dan 'peradaban' (Israel)...
> 
> Sampah, bung!
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], "LEO TOBING"
 wrote:
> >
> >  HISTORY
> > of 
> > Israel & "Palestine"
> > 
> >_____  
> > 
> > 
> > Tiny Israel in sea of Arab 22 nations
> >   Israel today + Jordan today  =  "Pal  estine"  Before 1923
> > 
> >     Take a close look at this PRESENT DAY MAP of the Middle East in
which
> > you can see that 22 Arab and/or Muslim [Iran is not considered Arab]
nations
> > completely engulf Israel. If someone can explain to me how
"expansionist
> > Israel" has "taken over" the Middle East, please email me! The Arab
> > countries occupy 640 times the land mass as does Israel and outnumber
the
> > Jews of Israel by nearly fifty to one. So much for Arab propaganda!
> > 
> >    Now notice the TOTAL  area of  Israel and  Jordan.  This was
referred to
> > as  "Palestine" and mandated under British administration following
World
> > War I (see next map below). How convenient that today's Arab
propagandists
> > forget that land east of the Jordan River was also part of "Palestine"
and
> > is, in fact, the Arab-Palestinian State!
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >_____  
> > 
> > 
> > British Mandate over Palestine    From 1517-1917 Turkey's Ottoman
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire>
 Empire controlled a vast Arab
> > empire, a portion of which is today Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine. 
During
> > World War I (1914-1918), Turkey supported Germany. When Germany was
> > defeated, so were the Turks. In 1916 control of the southern portion of
> > their Ottoman Empire was "mandated" to France and Britain under the
> > Sykes-Picot Agreement, which divided the Arab region into zones of
> > influence. Lebanon and Syria were assigned (mandated) to France... and
> > "Palestine" (today's Jordan, Israel and "West Bank") was mandated to
Great
> > Britain.   
> > 
> >     Because no other peoples had ever established a national homeland
in
> > "Palestine" since the Jews had done it 2,000 years before, the British
> > "looked favorably" upon the creation of a Jewish National Homeland
> > throughout ALL of Palestine. The Jews had already begun mass
immigration
> > into Palestine in the 1880's in an effort to rid the land of swamps and
> > malaria and prepare for the rebirth of Israel. This Jewish effort to
> > revitalize the land attracted an equally large immigration of Arabs
from
> > neighboring areas who were drawn by employment opportunities and
healthier
> > living conditions. There was never any attempt to "rid" the area of
what few
> > indigenous Arabs there were or those Arab masses that immigrated into
this
> > area along with the Jews! 
> > 
> >_____  
> > 
> > 
> > History of Palestine 1923-1947    In 1923, the British divided the
> > "Palestine" portion of the Ottoman Empire into two administrative
districts.
> > Jews would be permitted only west of the Jordan river.  In effect, the
> > British had "chopped off" 75% of the originally proposed Jewish
Palestinian
> > homeland to form an Arab Palestinian nation called Trans-Jordan
(meaning
> > "across the Jordan River"). This territory east of the Jordan River was
> > given to Emir Abdullah (from Hejaz, now Saudi Arabia) who was not even
an
> > Arab-"Palestinian!" This portion of Palestine was renamed Trans-Jordan.
> > Trans-Jordan would again be renamed "Jordan" in 1946. In other words,
the
> > eastern 3/4 of Palestine would be renamed TWICE, in effect, erasing all
> > connection to the name "Palestine!" However, the bottom line is that
the
> > Palestinian Arabs had THEIR "Arab Palestinian" homeland. The remaining
25%
> > of Palestine (now WEST of the Jordan River) was to be the Jewish
Palestinian
> > homeland.  However, sharing was not part of the Arab psychological
makeup
> > then nor now. 
> > 
> >     Encouraged and incited by growing Arab nationalism throughout the
Middle
> > East, the Arabs of that small remaining Palestinian territory west of
the
> > Jordan River launched never-ending murderous attacks upon the Jewish
> > Palestinians in an effort to drive them out.  Most terrifying were the
> > Hebron massacres of 1929 and later during the 1936-39 "Arab Revolt."
The
> > British at first tried to maintain order but soon (due to the large oil
> > deposits being discovered throughout the Arab Middle East) turned a
blind
> > eye. It became painfully clear to the Palestinian Jews that they must
fight
> > the Arabs AND drive out the British.
> > 
> >_____  
> > 
> > 
> > History of Palestine :1947 U.N. Partition Plan   
> > 
> >    The Palestinian Jews were forced to form an organized defense
against the
> > Arabs Palestinians.... thus was formed the Hagana, the beginnings of
the
> > Israeli Defense Forces [IDF]. There was also a Jewish underground
called the
> > Irgun <http://www.etzel.org.il/english/index2.html>
 led by Menachem Begin
> > (who later became Prime Minister of Israel). Besides fighting the
Arabs, the
> > Irgun was instrumental in driving out the pro-Arab British.  Finally in
1947
> > the British had enough and turned the Palestine matter over to the
United
> > Nations.
> >    The 1947 U.N. Resolution 181 partition plan was to divide the
remaining
> > 25% of Palestine into a Jewish Palestinian State and a SECOND Arab
> > Palestinian State (Trans-Jordan being the first) based upon population
> > concentrations.  The Jewish Palestinians accepted... the Arab
Palestinians
> > rejected. The Arabs still wanted ALL of Palestine... both east AND west
of
> > the Jordan River.
> > 
> >  Our Palestinian Cousins started the '48 war, and in so doing released
the
> > warlike appetites of a nation of survivors, a Jewish people with no
place to
> > run, who had repressed their rage for millennia, and had now earned
full
> > title to it!
> > 
> >     On May 14, 1948 the "Palestinian Jews" finally declared their own
State
> > of Israel and became "Israelis." On the next day, seven neighboring
Arab
> > armies... Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and
Yemen...
> > invaded Israel. Most of the Arabs living within the boundaries of the
newly
> > declared "ISRAEL" were encouraged to leave by the invading Arab armies
to
> > facilitate the slaughter of the Jews and were promised to be given all
> > Jewish property after the victorious Arab armies won the war. The truth
is
> > that 70% of the Arab Palestinians who left in 1948 - perhaps 300,000 to
> > 400,000 of them - never saw an Israeli soldier! They did not flee
because
> > they feared Jewish thugs, but because of a rational and reasonable
calculus:
> > the Jews will be exterminated; we will get out of the way while that
messy
> > and dangerous business goes forward, and we will return afterwards to
> > reclaim our homes, and to inherit those nice Jewish properties as well.
They
> > guessed wrong; and the Arab Palestinians are still tortured by the
residual
> > shame of their flight. Their shame is so great because in their eyes
running
> > from Jews was like running from women. So much for the blatant lie
about
> > Jews throwing out all the [Palestinian] Arabs!  
> > 
> > The remaining 30% either (1) saw for themselves that these Jews would
fight
> > and die for their new nation and decided to pack up and leave or (2)
were
> > driven off the land as a normal consequence of war. 
> > 
> > When the 19 month war ended, Israel survived  despite a 1% loss of its
> > entire population! Those Arabs who did not flee became today's
Israeli-Arab
> > citizens. Those who fled became the seeds of the first wave of
"Palestinian
> > Arab refugees." 
> > 
> > The Arab propagandists and apologists almost never mentioned that in
1948,
> > Arab armies launched a war against a one-day-old Israel. Instead he
focused
> > on the main consequence of that war: the creation of Arab refugees,
stating
> > that Israel "war of genocide" expelled 800,000 of them. This not only
> > disagrees with UN estimates of a bit over 400,000 refugees but also
ignores
> > the fact that most of the Arabs/Palestinians were encouraged to leave
by the
> > Arab World itself!
> > 
> >_____  
> > 
> > 
> > 1949 Armistice Lines Following 1st Arab-Israeli War    The end result
of the
> > 1948-49 Israeli War of Independence was the creation of a Jewish State
> > slightly larger than that which was proposed by the 1947 United Nations
> > Resolution 181. What remained of that almost-created second  Arab
> > Palestinian State was gobbled up by (1) Egypt (occupying the Gaza
Strip) and
> > by (2) Trans-Jordan (occupying Judea-Samaria (a.k.a. the "West Bank" of
the
> > Jordan River) and Jerusalem. In the next year (1950) Trans-Jordan
formally
> > merged this West Bank territory into itself and granted all those
> > "Palestinian" Arabs living there Jordanian citizenship.  Since
Trans-Jordan
> > was then no longer confined to one side of the  Jordan River, it
renamed
> > itself simply "Jordan."  In the final analysis, the Arabs of Palestine
ended
> > up with nearly 85% of the original territory of Palestine... called
Jordan
> > but in reality their ARAB "Palestinian state! But that was still not
100%
> > and thus the conflict between Arab and Jew for "Palestine" would
continue
> > through four more wars and continuous Arab terrorist  attacks upon the
> > Israeli citizenry. It continues to this very day.
> >     From 1949-67 when all of Judea-Samaria [West Bank & Jerusalem] and
Gaza
> > ... were 100% under Arab [Jordanian & Egyptian] control, no effort was
EVER
> > made to create a second Palestinian State for the Arabs living there.
> > Surely you do not expect Israel to now provide these same Arabs with
their
> > own country when their fellow Arabs failed to do so!  And isn't it
curious
> > how Arafat and his PLO (formed in 1964)  discovered their "ancient"
identity
> > and a need for "self-determination" and "human dignity" on this very
same
> > West Bank ONLY AFTER Israel regained this territory (three years later
in
> > 1967) following Jordan's attempt attempt to destroy Israel!  Why was no
> > request ever made upon King Hussein of Jordan by the Arabs living on
the
> > West Bank when he occupied it?  Is it logical that the PLO was formed
in
> > 1964 to regain the lands they would lose three years later in 1967? 
This
> > sort of logic makes sense only to those who who have not learned that
the
> > PLO was formed to DESTROY Israel. And that is STILL their goal! A
cosmetic
> > name change from PLO (Palestine Liberation Organization) to PA
(Palestinian
> > Authority) does not change the stripes on THIS tiger!
> > 
> >_____  
> > 
> > 
> > Pre- '67 war  
> > 
> >   Throughout much of May 1967, the Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian 
armies
> > mobilized along Israel's narrow and seemingly indefensible borders in
> > preparation for a massive invasion to eliminate the State of Israel.
The
> > battle cry heard throughout the Arab world was then, as it continues to
> > be... "Slaughter the Jews" and "Throw the Jews into the Sea!" But the
Jews
> > of Israel, remembering 2,000 years of being  butchered, gassed, burned
and
> > skinned (eg. The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, the Arab rampages
of
> > early Palestine and particularly the Holocaust),  planned and executed
a
> > perfect pre-emptive strike against Egypt. Within two hours the Egyptian
Air
> > Force did not exist... most of its planes destroyed while still on the
> > runways!  Unaware that the Egyptians had no more air force, King
Hussein of
> > Jordan,  launched his attack from the his West Bank into Israel's belly
> > while Syrian troops prepared to descend down the Golan Heights high
ground
> > into northern Israel.  
> > 
> > Now for some facts about "occupation." Firstly, the Egyptians,
Jordanians
> > and Syrians lost Gaza, the West Bank and Golan Heights (respectively)
by
> > participating in a failed attempt at genocide against the Children of
> > Israel. Had Israel lost this 1967 defensive war, the Arab-Palestinians
and
> > their Arab allies would have raped, butchered or driven out every
Israeli
> > they could get their hands on and gobbled up all of Israel. Now, 35+
years
> > later and despite the fact that Israel won a war BROUGHT UPON THEM, the
> > Israelis are still willing to allow the Arab-Palestinians to have a
state on
> > much of the West Bank and Gaza if only they will stop sending their
> > suicide/homicide bombers into the heart of Israel! (Talk about
misplaced
> > compassion!)
> > 
> > From 1948 to 1967, Egypt ruled Gaza, Syria ruled the Golan Heights,
while
> > Jordan ruled the West Bank. They could have set up independent
> > Arab-Palestinian states in any or all of those territories, but they
didn't
> > even consider it. Instead, in 1967 they used the Golan Heights, Gaza
and the
> > West bank to launch a war that was unambiguously aimed at destroying
Israel,
> > which is how Israel came into possession of those territories in the
first
> > place.
> > 
> >_____  
> > 
> > 
> > Ceasefire Lines following '67 War    After ONLY six days of air, sea
and
> > hand-to-hand ground warfare, Israel defeated all three Arab armies
along
> > three separate fronts, capturing the entire Sinai Desert from Egypt,
the
> > 37mile x 12mile Syrian Golan
> > <http://www.shalomjerusalem.com/jerusalem/jerusalem18.htm>
 Heights and the
> > so-called "West Bank" (including East Jerusalem and its Old City) from
> > Jordan. The God of Israel was surely watching over His children!  Most
> > importantly was the return to Israel of its holy 3,000 year old capital
city
> > of Jerusalem <http://www.shalomjerusalem.com/jerusalem/jerusalem3.htm>
> > along the western edge of the West Bank... the same Jerusalem from
which all
> > Jews had been denied access for the 19 years (1948-1967) following
Jordan's
> > seizure and control over it following the first Arab-Israeli War of
1948-9.
> >     Unfortunately, the world saw things differently and considered
Israel an
> > "occupier" (rather than a "capturer") of this disputed "West Bank" and
the
> > Gaza Strip along with the 850,000 Palestinian Arabs living there. These
> > Arabs would refer to themselves as "refugees" and joined the masses of
> > refugees from the first Arab-Israeli war of 1948-9. Once again Israel
was
> > forced to fight a battle for survival and, sadly, once again
Palestinian [in
> > reality, largely Egyptian, Jordanian and Syrian] Arabs becoming
refugees by
> > their own actions, the actions of their leaders and from the actions of
> > fellow Arabs from neighboring states! 
> > 
> > ISRAEL SCREWS UP TOO!
> > 
> >     Israel was responsible for bringing about some of its own problems.
The
> > Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza Strip were packed and ready to leave
> > following their 1967 defeat.  Suddenly the victorious one-eyed IDF
General
> > Moshe Dayan persuaded them to stay. This singular act stunned no one
more
> > than the Arab enemy himself who could not believe such an incredible
> > manifestation of Jewish madness!  After all, the Arabs knew what THEY
would
> > have done to the Jews if they had won!  Dayan's plan was to educate
them,
> > offer them modern medical treatment, provide them with employment both
in
> > the West Bank, Gaza AND inside Israel Proper itself ... living amongst
each
> > other in hopes of building bridges to the Arab world.  Israel is now
paying
> > dearly for this typically naive "Leftist" gesture.  That "bridge" led
to two
> > Intifadas and world-wide Arab-Palestinian terrorism.  From a frightened
and
> > defeated enemy, these "Palestinian" Arabs under Israel's jurisdiction
turned
> > into a confident, hateful and dangerous enemy now on their way toward
> > forming a terrorist state determined to destroy Israel!   
> > 
> > Note: When people say Jordan (first called Trans-Jordan) is an
> > Arab-"Palestinian" State, they are correct! Jordan accounts for 3/4 of
> > Palestine's original land mass. Though they may call themselves
> > "Jordanians," they are culturally, ethnically, historically and
religiously
> > no different than the Arab-"Palestinians" on the "West Bank." Even the
flag
> > of Jordan and the flag of the proposed 2nd Arab-Palestinian state on
the
> > West Bank / Gaza look almost identical. So, if the Arab-Palestinians
and
> > Jordanians think of themselves as one and the same, why should WE fall
for
> > the lie that the Arab Palestinians west of the Jordan River are any
> > different from the Jordanian Arabs on its eastern shore?
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.masada2000.org/Jordanflag.GIF
> > Jordanian Flag
> > 
> > http://www.masada2000.org/plo-flag.gif
> > Proposed Palestinian Flag
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >_____  
> > 
> > 
> > 1982: Post Camp David Accord  Usually when one side starts a war and
loses
> > both the war AND some territory, no one on the planet would expect the
> > winner to give back anything! This not only sounds preposterous, it IS
> > preposterous!  But the Jews (I hate to admit) had such an insane
obsession
> > of wanting the world to love them that they were willing to give back
the
> > entire Sinai Desert (oil fields, air bases and endless miles of
security
> > buffer) to Egypt for a piece of paper.  Thus, in 1982 Egypt regained
their
> > Sinai and Israel lost a massive buffer against any future Egyptian
> > aggression!  Thus far, Egypt has not aggressed against Israel
militarily;
> > however, the basest, anti-Semitic vile to come out of Egypt is not
unlike
> > the worse of Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda! This 1982 Camp David Peace
Accord
> > has to be the coldest peace deal in history!
> >     Israel still occupies Syria's Golan Heights which, prior to the
1967
> > war, had been by Syria used solely for terrorist incursions into and
> > artillery bombardment upon Israel's northeastern settlements.  The
Golan
> > should never be given back to Israel's most vicious enemy!  And of
course,
> > Israel still "occupies" the West Bank with its  ONE MILLION TWO HUNDRED
> > THOUSAND and Gaza with its EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND "Palestinian"  Arabs.
 Had
> > Israel done to these Arabs what the Arabs would have done to the Jews
had
> > THEY won, she would have expelled these  hostile Arabs and made it
> > officially part of a Greater Israel!  But by remaining an "occupier,"
Israel
> > set herself up for a campaign of vicious propaganda, the scope and
intensity
> > of which the world has never before seen!
> > 
> > ..
> > 
> > More on "Palestinian Nationalism"
> > and the
> > Real War Against Israel...
> > 
> > 
> > The Middle East war is not now and never was a conflict between
> > Israelis/Jews on the one hand and Palestinians on the other. In fact,
the
> > Arab-"Palestinians", while currently the perpetrators of most of the
> > anti-Jewish atrocities, were never a very important part of the
conflict. In
> > fact, before about 1970, virtually no one in the world considered the
Middle
> > East conflict to be one between Israelis and Palestinians. 
> > 
> > The term "Palestinian" itself had referred to Israeli Jews back in the
> > 1940s, and had been slowly deconstructed and redefined to refer to the
Arabs
> > in the West Bank and Gaza. The Middle East Conflict was always a war by
> > Arabs against Jews, not a conflict between Israelis and "Palestinians."
The
> > war was repackaged as a conflict between Jews and Palestinians as a
public
> > relations gimmick by the Arab fascist regimes. These regimes had never
had
> > any interest in "Palestinians," in creating a "Palestinian" state, or
in
> > "Palestinian nationalism" before 1967. That is because Palestinian
> > nationalism did not and DOES NOT exist. The Palestinians were a
regional
> > group of Arabs having virtually no cultural nor national distinctive
traits
> > separating them from Syrians, Lebanese, and Jordanians. They are all
> > basically Arabs!. 
> > 
> > The bulk of what are called "Palestinian Arabs" are members of families
who
> > migrated into the Land of Israel beginning in the late 19th century.
> > Palestinian nationalism is a mislabeling of Arab nationalism. Arab
> > nationalism exists, although it is closely bound up with Islamic
nationalism
> > and even Islamism. Palestinian nationalism, however, is a phantom. It
is
> > nothing more than genocidal hatred of Jews! 
> > 
> > The Arab assaults and aggressions against Israel in 1948, 1956, 1967,
1968,
> > and 1973 had nothing to do with Palestinians. The Palestinian terror
> > campaign would itself be easy to suppress today and eradicate if the
Middle
> > East conflict were really a Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Israel would
> > simply obliterate the terrorists and expel their supporters to Syria
and
> > Lebanon. The Middle East war continues because it is really an
Arab-Israeli
> > war, not an Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It is also in large part a
war
> > between barbarism and civilization. In many ways an Islamic religious
jihad
> > against the Jews.
> > 
> > .
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> >   LEO TOBING
> > 
> > Member of PERADI
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS!
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  ~ My precious, precious child, I love you and I would never leave you~
> >
>




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