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Re: Classification for Arabic collections

Bill,

Another complicating factor for you is that Arabic is written from
right to left.  Since spine labels will be in reverse order on roman
alphabet and Arabic alphabet materials, these materials will probably
be segregated on the shelf.

In Korea, which is now written from left to right, I integrated the
collection, with hunkul (Korean alphabet) Cutters filing before roman
alphabet ones.  All western materials were catalogued in the roman
alphabet (including Cyrrilic), and eastern materials in hankul.

Back to adapting DDC or UDC, you could also class geography with
history, releasing 910 for Arabic history, again using the
subdivisions from DS 4.

An adaptation of DDC had been published din Japan (NDC), and one in Korea
(KDC), and you may well find such an adaptation has been published in an
Arabic country.  But an advantage of using DDC or UDC with the 8A0/9A0
or 810/910 is the DDC and UDC are kept up to date, unlike most
published adaptations, and apart for Arabic literature and history, you
can use class numbers in derived records.

Mac

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J. McRee Elrod | 6 Sep 21:00

Re: Classification for Arabic collections

Hi Bill,

If you don't get better suggestion from an Arabic source, here is what
is done in some countries.

Assuming DDC (easier since it has no letters), you may develop a class
for Arabic literature by (in roman language records) using 8A0, for
history by using 9A0.  These are the two areas numbers are most
needed.

In records in Arabic you could use the Arabic letter ain (looks a bit
like a backward "3" or script "E").

I would suggest combining all Arabic literature in one class, as
opposed to dividing by country.

Another option is to combine all English language literature in 820,
freeing 810 for Arabic literature, but that still leaves the letter
solution in history.

The subdivisions in 8A0 would be the same as in all literature.  The
subdivisions in 9A0 could be taken from LCC's DS 41-498, dropping the
"DS 4".

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Bill Cohen | 5 Sep 18:36

Call for Papers

(Please forgive any cross-posting.)

 /Bill/

Bill Cohen, /Publisher  /
*The Haworth Press*
www.HaworthPress.com
[Taylor & Francis Group]
*

*

*Call for Papers - /Journal of Library Metadata/*

The charter issue of the /Journal of Library Metadata/ is now in
circulation.    

Under the editorship of Jeffrey Beall, Metadata Librarian
and Assistant Professor, Auraria Library, University of Colorado (Denver),
the  new peer review journal from Haworth Press (now part of
Taylor & Francis) covers research, theory & practice related to metadata
in libraries of all types.   The charter issue includes articles on
"Dublin Core Metadata Harvested Through OAI-PMH," "Cataloging Images
in Millennium: A Central Repository," "You Need My Metadata: Demonstrating
the Value of Library Cataloging," "From Hanging Files to Digital Collection:
Growing a Controlled Vocabulary for Added Functionality in the
Online World."    Editor Beall welcomes contact from potential
authors <Jeffrey.Beall@...>.    Quarterly.   Free sample
available from <marisa.starr@...>.  (Previously
published as the /Journal of Internet Cataloging/, through Vol 7, #4.)

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Gene Fieg | 5 Sep 18:02

Edited and unedited versions of popular music

In hand: The college dropout / Kanye West. 2004

Two versions: one edited and one unedited

Would you suggest I use work I use work letters for something "published"
simultaneously?  Or since one is an edited version of the other, would using
"2" at the end of the unedited version suffice to indicate the "edited"
version, which apparently has been made more PG so it does not have the full
lyrics of the first?

Gene Fieg

Cataloger

Claremont School of Theology

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J. McRee Elrod | 5 Sep 17:10

Classification for Arabic collections

Bill Casti <billcasti@...> wrote off list:

 >I work for a USAID-funded project. The ministries of the Government of Ir=
 >aq need a solution similar to the Dewey Decimal System/Universal Decimal
 >System to catalog their books and periodicals ...

I answered in part:

> This is the best thing I've seen written on the subject:
>
> http://www.ifla.org/IV/ifla61/61-solp.htm

The paper was written by Poori Soltani at the National Library of Iran
ain 1995.  Does anyone have a current e-address for the author?   (The
library's website in in Arabic.)

The same author has a paper in CCQ.

But since we have at least one member of Autocat working in Arabic,
it seemed best to pass the question along.  Ahmad?

Perhaps you could copy your answers to Bill (e-address in Cc above).

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Carol Reid | 5 Sep 16:19

Daily Typo - September 5, 2008 - Austrailia, Austalia (for Australia, etc.)

Typo of the Day for Librarians
Austrailia*, Austalia* (for Australia, etc.)

When hiking in Australia, make sure not to lose sight of the trail. There were 13 hits for Austrailia* and 16
for Austalia* in OhioLINK at last count. In Norman Lindsey's famous children's book The Magic Pudding,
various characters take successive bites of the eponymous foodstuff while never diminishing the whole.
This magic fails to work on words, though, which are not self-regenerating but rely on us to keep them
properly intact. (Photo of Magic Pudding sculpture in Lavender Bay, Sydney, from the New York Review of
Books website.)

Carol Reid

Extracted, for AUTOCAT, from Typo of the Day for Librarians at http://librarytypos.blogspot.com/. If
you have comments about the words selected, how they are selected, or the way the items are written, please
contact Terry Ballard <terry.ballard@...>.  

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Shirley Richardson | 5 Sep 15:48

Re: Looking for Suggestions

Our Reference Desk has a Mason jar filled with pieces of a jigsaw puzzle, and a cartoon scarecrow with the
sign: "Puzzled? Ask here for help."

BTW, our library is planning to replace the Reference area with a "Learning Commons", which we will share
with our IT dept., so we may eventually have the same problem.

Shirley Richardson
Catalog Librarian
Angelo State University
San Angelo, Texas 76909
325-942-2221

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"Happy to help you with your research question"
"Need help with library resources? Ask here"
"Assistance? Get it here"
"Reference desk"
"Library resources 'talk' here"

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Angela Murphy-Walters | 5 Sep 12:39

Re: Looking for Suggestions

I suspect you would get some excellent ideas by posting the question to a reference and/or public relations
list.  I was going to send this recommendation yesterday, but am blanking on the name of the ref list of which
I once knew. . . .

Angela Murphy-Walters
Senior Catalog Specialist
Children's Literature Team
The Library of Congress
101 Independence Ave. S.E.
Washington, D.C. 20540-1310
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Hal Cain | 5 Sep 04:05

Heads up: Luther's spirituality

Book in hand:
Luther's spirituality / edited and translated by Philip D.W. Krey and 
Peter D.S. Krey.  New York : Paulist Press, c2007. (The classics of 
Western spirituality)

LCCN 2006029115, OCLC #71312772

A DLC record, but many hands have meddled with this, as evidenced by 
040.  The Libraries Australia interface to OCLC tells me there are 374 
holdings attached.

The entire content of the work is, apart from the prelims. and brief 
editorial introductions, selections of the works of Luther, translated. 
  The translations are mostly original; the book is not a translation of 
any published German selection.

It has been entered as a title main entry, with a 600 (doubtful) for 
Luther, but not even a 700.

I've reported this error to CPSO at LC; and when (as I confidently 
expect) it's corrected, the record will be redistributed to OCLC and 
elsewhere.

Blatant errors like this, apparently unchallenged by the many who have 
used this record, do not give me confidence in the future of our profession.

Hal Cain
Dalton McCaughey Library
Parkville, Victoria, Australia
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Paul Adasiak | 5 Sep 02:40

Standards for which fields to index, and how

Are there standards available as to which MARC fields and subfields 
should be search- and browse-indexed?  Or, if not, do you know of 
somebody's documentation (maybe yours?) of your search- and 
browse-indexed fields and subfields?

I asked a similar question on 16 November 2006 and got replies from 
Charley Pennell and J. McRee Elrod, who pointed me to their in-house 
documentation.  (So, gentlemen, there's no need to answer unless your 
outfits have changed their practices.)

One of my department's priorities is to update the interface of our 
ill-functioning periodical article index (link below).  I mentioned at a 
meeting that I'd come up with a list of proposals for fields and 
subfields that should be word-searchable and browseable -- then a 
colleague asked, "Is there a standard for that, that you could consult?"

Good question.  Is there?  Or, if not, would anybody else be kind enough 
to share their documentation with me?

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Metadata Coordinator      |     Elmer E. Rasmuson Library
E-mail: fnpfa@...     |     University of Alaska Fairbanks

Alaska & Polar Periodical Index: http://goldmine.uaf.edu/aprindex/
Alaska's Digital Archives: http://vilda.alaska.edu/

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James Bowman | 4 Sep 20:37

Re: Google Book Search

Thanks, Misha, for your two AUTOCAT messages. They surprised me, as I thought I had thoroughly explored the
question of copyright renewal. My first assignment in the Library of Congress was to a lowly position in
the Copyright Office Cataloging Division in 1950I The Copyright Office's Circular 1 is easily accessed
via the Web. I am still unclear whether my c1953 was AUTOMATICALLY extended.by subsequent legislation.
In any case, I have just sent a note to Google asking that my book be fully open to the public. I have no
commercial interest at stake and it will be interesting to see what happens.
Jim Bowman
(Library of Congress, Ret.)

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Re: Classification for Arabic collections

Re: Classification for Arabic collections

Call for Papers

Edited and unedited versions of popular music

Classification for Arabic collections

Daily Typo - September 5, 2008 - Austrailia*, Austalia* (for Australia, etc.)

Re: Looking for Suggestions

Re: Looking for Suggestions

Heads up: Luther's spirituality

Standards for which fields to index, and how

Re: Google Book Search

Daily Typo - September 5, 2008 - Austrailia, Austalia (for Australia, etc.)