Re: CLOSED #1198 Proposed resolution - Implementation and derivative work

No Simon - the derivative rights requirement is needed to republish exceprts
and in modifying them in submitting proposals to the IETF itself.

Todd Glassey

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Simon Josefsson" <jas <at> extundo.com>
To: "todd glassey" <todd.glassey <at> att.net>
Cc: "Harald Alvestrand" <harald <at> alvestrand.no>; <ipr-wg <at> ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: CLOSED #1198 Proposed resolution - Implementation and
derivative work

> "todd glassey" <todd.glassey <at> worldnet.att.net> writes:
>
> > Sorry Harald - the derivative rights requirements can be gleaned from
this
> > http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ14.html#derivative the USD
Government's
> > COPYRIGHT.GOV website's FAQ's on Derivative Works...
>
> As far as I understood your original issue, I see nothing in that link
> that support your case.
>
> > I suggest that you review the law as it stands and then recant these
words
> > since the derivative rights section is also clearly broken - why is it
that
> > this group thinks it gets to re-write law.
>
> I have reviewed the copyright laws, and my conclusion is consistent
> with Harald's resolution test: the right to produce a derivative work
> (i.e., an implementation) of a document is only required if that
> implementation include or adapt text from the document.
>
> Thanks,
> Simon
>
> > Todd Glassey
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Harald Alvestrand" <harald <at> alvestrand.no>
> > To: <ipr-wg <at> ietf.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 12:38 AM
> > Subject: CLOSED #1198 Proposed resolution - Implementation and
derivative
> > work
> >
> >
> >> After having heard the discussion, I conclude that this resolution is
> >> accepted by the WG, and the issue is closed.
> >>
> >> Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
> >> > I think this has gone on long enough.
> >> >
> >> > This is a WG Last Call on issue #1198, with a timeout of one week,
and
> >> > I'll close it on February 28.
> >> >
> >> > SUGGESTED RESOLUTION:
> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > Implementations of IETF standards that incorporate pieces of IETF
> >> > documents (such as MIBs or data tables) need to have the right to
> >> > produce derivative works based on those pieces.
> >> >
> >> > Implementations of IETF standards that do not incorporate such pieces
> >> > do not need the right to produce such derivative works.
> >> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > I believe that corresponds to the advice of counsel, and to the
> >> > opinion of the vast majority of this working group.
> >> >
> >> > Note that this has absolutely no effect on the need to have rights to
> >> > practice applicable patents; this is strictly about copyright.
> >> >
> >> > I know that Todd Glassey does not agree with this statement. Other
> >> > people who do not agree with this statement are hereby encouraged to
> >> > speak up; references to specific case law (in any jurisdiction) that
> >> > is clearly contrary to this opinion will be appreciated.
> >> >
> >> >                 Harald Alvestrand, co-chair of IPR WG
> >>
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