IETF tools list issues (update)

Hi, an updated list of issues from my POV:

* the RFC-I problem was fixed (= ietf.org unlisted),
  an update sent via GMaNe might be trapped in the
  moderation queue or in a meeting with Dave Null:
  <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.discuss/11839>

* various errata are still AWOL, for a complete list
  of 667 RFCs with reported errata as of 2008-07-08
  see <g502oa$btu$1 <at> ger.gmane.org>, available in
  <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.tools/1109> 
  <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tools-discuss/current/msg01563.html>

* the "challenge" wasn't identified as challenge by
  GMaNe, I'm not sure if that is a bug or a feature
  in practice.  Here is the "raw" challenge message:
  <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.tools/1114/raw>

  RFC 3834 issues in this "challenge":
  1 - The envelope sender address was the ordinary list
      address, the list bounce address might be better,
      see RFC 3834 chapter 3.3
  2 - There was no OPTIONAL (RFC 3834 chapter 3.1.8)
      Precedence: list (or similar) header field
  3 - There was no RECOMMENDED (3.1.7) Auto-Submitted
      header field 
  4 - There were no RECOMMENDED (3.1.6) References and
      In-Reply-To header fields with the Message-ID of
      the challenged article, IMO that would be good
  5 - There was no OPTIONAL (3.1.5) Auto: subject tag
  6 - There was no RECOMMENDED (3.1.2) Reply-To header
      field, that's bad in conjunction with the next
      points
  7 - The 2822-From was not a list owner address or say
      tools-discuss-request <at> ietf.org as RECOMMENDED in
      3.1.1, it was the list address, IMO that's wrong.

* GMaNe considered the challenge as ordinary mail from
  the list to all members, and that is how I got it, as
  ordinary "article" in a "newsgroup" gmane.ietf.tools.

  At that time I had no idea what is wrong and decided
  to send a "response" as requested, but "just in case"
  I used another route:  Via Gmail corresponding to the
  2822-From in the mail that triggered the challenge, a
  bad idea on my side.

  The list identified my address as subscribed, missed
  that it was "response" to its prior "challenge", and
  sent the response to all IETF Tools list members not
  limited to GMaNe:

  <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.ietf.tools/1115>
  <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tools-discuss/current/msg01568.html>

  Likely the C/R system is still waiting for a response
  via GMaNe, I'll test that later.  RFC 3834 does not
  mention the problem of a "response" on another route,
  but I think C/R systems should find such responses -
  especially if the "challenge" claims to use only the
  subject to find "responses", not the envelope sender.

 Frank