Gerfried Fuchs | 14 Mar 14:15 2012
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Re: discouraging discussion styles - any cure?

* Wouter Verhelst <wouter <at> debian.org> [2012-03-13 14:11:30 CET]:
> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:40:35AM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote:
> > and there are also people who fight for their right to behave like
> > assholes and belittle scathingly against people that wish for a better
> > communication style.
> 
> This, I agree, should not be acceptable behaviour. I hope you're not
> categorizing me as someone who would do that ;-)

 Not at all, but I have seen such behavior every now and then,
especially when discussion about Enrico's community guidelines popped
up, people harshly defended their right for "free speach", so to say,
and it wasn't the only occation (have received quite some hateful
messages over time for my wish to have a better discussion style within
the project).

 But this is also part of:

> In addition, one of the things I've been considering is to lead a
> discussion on an overhaul of our code of conduct. I think our current
> CoC isn't really working, since it's outdated in parts, irrelevant in
> others, and ignored by many people in the parts that actually matter.

 ... the CoC being ignored.  In so many ways, both by people actively
ignoring it, and no real actions about "rule breakers" (unless they
crossed the line for next to everyone over a long period of time
already, which is, IMNSHO, way too late).

 So how do you envision an overhaul of the CoC could work to not be
ignored just again?  As a reference for those who are uncertain what we
are talking about, I guess you mean the same as me, these rules:
http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct

 So indeed, like Stefano mentioned, a "sorry, was wound up", "was wrong
in my judgement" from the people who are misbehaving would help a lot to
get things into better shape, but those are still the few exceptions,
unfortunately.

 Thanks for the answers,
Rhonda
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