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>>    1. Re: New Girl Talk (Elizabeth Stark)
>>    2. Re: New Girl Talk (Fred Benenson)
>>    3. Re: New Girl Talk (Elizabeth Stark)
>>    4. Re: New Girl Talk (Brian Rowe)
>>    5. Re: New Girl Talk (Elizabeth Stark)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:50:35 -0400
>> From: "Elizabeth Stark" <emstark <at> gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk
>> To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in
>> 	particular" <discuss <at> freeculture.org>
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>> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that  
>> would be a
>> case...
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson  
>> <fred.benenson <at> gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay  
>>> for it.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <rob <at> robmyers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote:
>>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out  
>>>>> from the
>>>>> infringing work itself.
>>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail.
>>>>
>>>> http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/
>>>>
>>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will  
>>>> assume that
>>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an
>>>> infringing work.
>>>>
>>>> - Rob.
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>> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:51:28 -0400
>> From: "Fred Benenson" <fred.benenson <at> gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk
>> To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in
>> 	particular" <discuss <at> freeculture.org>
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>> I assume you mean sued by the original samplee, not GT
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Elizabeth Stark <emstark <at> gmail.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that  
>>> would be a
>>> case...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson  
>>> <fred.benenson <at> gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay  
>>>> for it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <rob <at> robmyers.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote:
>>>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out  
>>>>>> from the
>>>>>> infringing work itself.
>>>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/
>>>>>
>>>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will  
>>>>> assume that
>>>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an
>>>>> infringing work.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Rob.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:52:53 -0400
>> From: "Elizabeth Stark" <emstark <at> gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk
>> To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in
>> 	particular" <discuss <at> freeculture.org>
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>> Exactly.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Fred Benenson  
>> <fred.benenson <at> gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I assume you mean sued by the original samplee, not GT
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Elizabeth Stark  
>>> <emstark <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that  
>>>> would be
>>>> a case...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson  
>>>> <fred.benenson <at> gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay  
>>>>> for it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <rob <at> robmyers.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote:
>>>>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out  
>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>> infringing work itself.
>>>>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will  
>>>>>> assume that
>>>>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an
>>>>>> infringing work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Rob.
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Discuss mailing list
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>> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 15:21:55 -0700
>> From: "Brian Rowe" <brian <at> freedomforip.org>
>> Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk
>> To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in
>> 	particular" <discuss <at> freeculture.org>
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>> I am willing to donate to the GT legal defense fund.
>>
>> Fair use is tough defense especially when the work is used  
>> commercially and
>> the work is not a direct parody. I am also not sure one can have a  
>> copyright
>> interest in an unauthorized derivative work.  The legal questions are
>> fascinating and their is a need to enable this type of creative  
>> work either
>> through legislation or better fair use precedents.
>>
>> The album is great!
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Elizabeth Stark <emstark <at> gmail.com>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that  
>>> would be a
>>> case...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson  
>>> <fred.benenson <at> gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay  
>>>> for it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <rob <at> robmyers.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote:
>>>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out  
>>>>>> from the
>>>>>> infringing work itself.
>>>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/
>>>>>
>>>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will  
>>>>> assume that
>>>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an
>>>>> infringing work.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Rob.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Discuss mailing list
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>> -- 
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:25:08 -0400
>> From: "Elizabeth Stark" <emstark <at> gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [FC-discuss] New Girl Talk
>> To: "Discussion of Free Culture in general and this organization in
>> 	particular" <discuss <at> freeculture.org>
>> Message-ID:
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>>> I am also not sure one can have a copyright interest in an  
>>> unauthorized
>>> derivative work.
>>
>> Yeah, the caselaw that I recall says that you don't..although we have
>> discussed hypotheticals in law school where when the infringing  
>> part is so
>> separate from the rest of the work that there may still be a  
>> copyright in
>> the rest of it (imagine a 3 second sample once during a 10 minute  
>> song.)
>> This is not the case here.
>>
>> But what that means is GT has no copyright of his own. Fascinating..
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Brian Rowe <brian <at> freedomforip.org>  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am willing to donate to the GT legal defense fund.
>>>
>>> Fair use is tough defense especially when the work is used  
>>> commercially and
>>> the work is not a direct parody. I am also not sure one can have a  
>>> copyright
>>> interest in an unauthorized derivative work.  The legal questions are
>>> fascinating and their is a need to enable this type of creative  
>>> work either
>>> through legislation or better fair use precedents.
>>>
>>> The album is great!
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Elizabeth Stark  
>>> <emstark <at> gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hmm..if people remix GT's "CC" album and also get sued, now that  
>>>> would be
>>>> a case...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Fred Benenson  
>>>> <fred.benenson <at> gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Feel free not to download the album, or download it and not pay  
>>>>> for it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Rob Myers <rob <at> robmyers.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Elizabeth Stark wrote:
>>>>>>> Yup, super sketchy b/c you can't separate those elements out  
>>>>>>> from the
>>>>>>> infringing work itself.
>>>>>> NC-ing appropriation art is, on balance, a bit of a fail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://robmyers.org/weblog/2006/03/26/sampling-artists-and-nc/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it doesn't explain the situation to consumers, who will  
>>>>>> assume that
>>>>>> the license means that they can't be hassled over posessing an
>>>>>> infringing work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Rob.
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Discuss mailing list
>>>>>> Discuss <at> freeculture.org
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>>>>>
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>>> Freedom for IP
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