Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

All of you are worse than a bunch of 12 year old school girls--on both
sides.  Give it a rest already.

Pretty much, the arguments for being certified speak for themselves.  Some
people make what they feel are educated business decisions to do otherwise.
Fine for them.  It's not the end of the world, and something that most
business do (large business often calculate the cost of compliance versus
the risk/cost of non-compliance and formally decide, on many occasions, to
be non-compliant.)  It is a standard business practice, some of you like it,
some of you don't, but really, knock it off already.  Please.

This is a public listserv...if you are non-compliant and feel that it is a
good business decision to run that risk, than so be it, but have the sense
to shut up about it and minimize your risk.  If you are compliant and
worried about your industry reputation, then have sense also to shut up
about it as well and don't draw any more attention to the matter...  There's
nothing to be gained here so, again, move on...it's a lose, lose situation
for everyone involved in these threads.

I understand there is a closed, members-only list.  If you are truly
concerned about the reputation of WISPA and feel this is important to
WISPA's reputation and efficacy as an organization, than move this junk
there...

In the end, the FCC will care a lot more about you if you represent more
customers (you know, the real reason why they pay more attention to the big
guys than little guys).  Large successful business get a lot more attention
from policy makes than small marginal shops.  Make the decision to be
compliant or not and shut up about it and move on.  It's not that
important.  Stop stroking your egos about following the moral high ground
through "upstanding citizenry" or following the moral high ground of "doing
the right regardless of a bunch of stupid bureaucratic regulations.  I think
all of you have already made the decision, one way or another, no one is
going to convince any one of you of anything.

Move on.  Spend your time building better networks and getting more
customers...get yourself market share, and you'll get the attention, respect
of the FCC and, far more importantly, you'll make more money (which, after
all, I assume you're wanting).   Talk about ways to do that.  Talk about
ways to get customers. Talk about ways to deliver uptime that will keep the
customers.  Talk about ways to deliver more bandwidth and better quality of
service to your customers.  Talk about sharing costs on bandwidth, email
systems, etc... to cut costs and increase profits.  Talk about your navel
hair for all I care--it would be a more productive thread.  I think I've
been on this list for about three months, have seen this thread at least 10
times repeating the same pride-filled nonsense on both sides.  It's
embarrassing to watch, and the tenth time doesn't produce anything that the
first nine did except give some people a forum to pat themselves on the back
and talk about how their way is the best route to take.

If you want to make WISPA a respectable organization, spend your time
getting customers and building better networks, not prattling on and on
about LEGAL MATTERS IN A PUBLIC FORUM...

-Clint Ricker
Kentnis Technologies

On 9/3/07, J. Vogel <jvogel <at> vogent.com> wrote:
>
> It doesn't really help, when attempting to clarify a misunderstood or
> confusing
> statement, to say the same thing over again.
>
> You asserted, in your posting, that the position of WISPA as stated in the
> code of ethics, did not meet the requirement in your opinion of being the
> official stance of WISPA. You are the one who should clarify just exactly
> how the official written statement contained in the code of ethics falls
> short
> of meeting the bar. If the code of ethics statement cannot be taken to be
> the official postion of WISPA,...
>
> 1. why not?,
> 2. what would you propose that would be adequate in your view?
>
> John
>
> Zack Kneisley wrote:
> >> Please expand upon this statement...
> >>
> >> "
> >>
> >> Because you agree that WISPA supports only certified systems through a
> >> ethics statement, does not conclude that WISPA as a professional
> >> organization supports the use of only certified systems.
> >>
> >> "
> >>
> >> I do not see how this statement makes any sense. The logic loses me
> >> about the
> >> "does not conclude" part.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Ok, I'll be happy to. I'm sorry if the logic in my statement is
> confusing.
> >
> > -----------------------------
> > 1.Because you agree that WISPA supports only certified systems through
> > ethics statement,
> >
> > ***You have stated that WISPA, through its code of ethics, somehow
> assumes
> > the stance that it does not condone the use of non-ceritified systems..
> > correct?
> >
> > 2.does not conclude that WISPA as a professional organization supports
> the
> > use of only certified systems.
> >
> > ***This does not mean that WISPA take the same position.
> >
> > -----------------------------
> > I appoligize if I confused you. Is this the official opinion of WISPA?
> are
> > you making this statement on behalf of WISPA? I don't think you are. Is
> it
> > WISPA's official public position that non-certified systems are not
> condoned
> > because you have a code of ethics? Are you representing WISPA with your
> > statement?
> >
> > John, this is not your statement to make.. Honestly, your opinion
> doesn't
> > matter to me. What matters to me is WISPA's public opinion, not yours.
> >
> > Zack
> >
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