Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

This was in reference to the FCC trips, which I certainly remember from 
before WISPA was formed.

I don't really see either orgranization doing anything else.  Not that I'm 
saying they should be doing something else, but that's all I see that either 
organization has done (or is doing).

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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JohnnyO" <johnnyo <at> apgwireless.com>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless <at> wispa.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation

> Part-15 did NOT do the same things WISPA does. Part-15 lead it's 
> membership to believe it was for the INDUSTRY when all Part-15 did was to 
> line it's own pockets for PERSONAL GAIN. I do not see the same thing here.
>
> JohnnyO
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Hammett" <wispawireless <at> ics-il.net>
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless <at> wispa.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] In support of legal operation
>
>
>> Part-15 used to do the same things WISPA does.  However, I think most of 
>> the people with Part-15 that did this left to form WISPA.
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mac Dearman" <lists <at> inetsouth.com>
>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless <at> wispa.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 12:55 AM
>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] In support of legal operation
>>
>>
>>> See inline comments please
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Behalf Of Zack Kneisley
>>>>
>>>> John, List.. anyone else really.
>>>>
>>>> I was trying not to get into a discussion at a "12 year old level". I
>>>> merely
>>>> support anyone who feels that they want to change something, through a
>>>> structured method. Although I agree on this particular issue, making a
>>>> statement  "look at our code of ethics" does not accomplish that Ralph
>>>> requested.
>>>>
>>> [Mac says]
>>>
>>> I think our "Code of Ethics" states precisely what Ralph was looking 
>>> for. He
>>> was looking for something that states WISPA's position on certified -vs- 
>>> non
>>> certified gear "I would like to ask the WISPA board to publish a 
>>> position
>>> paper on legal operation and guidelines for WISPs to use in order to 
>>> meet
>>> the current rules" and if our Code of Ethics aren't in black and white 
>>> for
>>> all to see then I will see if we can get them enlarged. I don't think it 
>>> can
>>> be more readily apparent than that. Producing a "paper" would be a total
>>> waste of time imho. If you have trouble ciphering what we 
>>> have - -another
>>> one is not going to clarify it any better.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Is there no structure in WISPA? Is there no means to petition an
>>>> organization that supposedly "represents all wisps" to entertain the
>>>> mans
>>>> request? Is there no sturcture in WISPA that is aimed towards ratifying
>>>> or
>>>> creating a documents.
>>>>
>>> [Mac says]
>>>
>>>   I have yet to understand what anyone needs that we haven't already 
>>> made
>>> available. Our stand is in our Code of Ethics.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I think what it comes down to is a few simple questions.
>>>>
>>>> Does a member of WISPA have the right to request such a public stance?
>>>> Does WISPA have a means of debation these requests?
>>>> Is there even a process in place that could lead to a document such as
>>>
>>> [Mac says]
>>>
>>>  See above and yes. We are here for all WISPs. That means those that are
>>> c0mpletely illegal as well as the legal and those of us who are 
>>> somewhere
>>> in-between or caught in the middle. If the statement that you are 
>>> looking
>>> for from WISPA is to state that you have to be 100% legal or you can't 
>>> be a
>>> member of the organization - - that will never happen, That would be 
>>> like
>>> telling us sinners that we aren't welcome at church. We are a lobbying
>>> organization and we are here to lobby whoever we can to make the changes
>>> that we see needed to make our jobs as WISPs more successful. We have 
>>> never
>>> had anyone to step up to the plate for us like we do at WISPA. No one 
>>> has
>>> ever presented anything to the FCC on your (and every other WISP) 
>>> behalf,
>>> but WISPA. We have made many trips to DC right out of our own back 
>>> pockets
>>> because it affects us too. The truth of the matter is that the more of 
>>> us
>>> there are all gathered under one umbrella - - the louder our voice in DC 
>>> and
>>> the bigger impact we will have on this industry. We have the opportunity 
>>> to
>>> shape it into a more formidable playing field for the mom & pop shop 
>>> that so
>>> many of us are today.
>>>
>>> We are not a police agency and we are not a reporting agency. If you 
>>> aren't
>>> filling out your form 477 then I (and the rest of the board) will urge 
>>> you
>>> to do so. If you aren't running FCC certified gear then I (and the rest 
>>> of
>>> the board) will urge you to get working on that too. If you choose not 
>>> to
>>> fill out your form 477 then we will attempt to educate you as to why you
>>> need to be doing this. If you aren't using FCC certified gear then we 
>>> will
>>> attempt to educate you as to your advantage of following through with 
>>> this
>>> task as well.
>>>
>>> We are friends with the FCC, FBI, Homeland Security as well with our
>>> individual Congressmen and Senators. We are on the same side they are 
>>> and
>>> are "all about" being legal, promoting legal gear and being 
>>> professionals at
>>> what we do. I have yet to figure out where anyone came up with the idea 
>>> that
>>> we were anything different than that!!
>>>
>>> That's all I have to say about that!  (Forest - Forest Gump)
>>>
>>>
>>> Mac Dearman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Ralph
>>>> requested?
>>>>
>>>> If WISPA is not open to have a democratic way to represent the
>>>> individual
>>>> wisps, then this whole debate has no merit. If an individual that comes
>>>> to
>>>> the table with an idea, getys shutout by one person.... What type of
>>>> organization is WISPA.
>>>>
>>>> I've thought of joining WISPA on several occasions, but I have yet to
>>>> see it
>>>> as an organization for WISPS, after all, given this thread, it doesn't
>>>> seem
>>>> that there is not any self governing process to ask for anything.
>>>> Unless I'm
>>>> seriously missing something, there are no processes in place that allow
>>>> a
>>>> member or non member to bring a topic to the table, and for it to be
>>>> considered as an action that WISPA should take. To myself, WISPA looks
>>>> like
>>>> an organization controlled by a handful of individuals, not by the
>>>> WISPS it
>>>> is supposed to, in its own Code of Ethecs Attempt to represent.
>>>>
>>>> WISPA's Goals see:http://www.wispa.org/?page_id=6
>>>>
>>>> 6. Political lobbying group - Unified voice for the WISP industry
>>>>
>>>> How can this be acheived when the discussion turns to name calling and
>>>> comparing the thoughts of others to 12 year olds.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ******************************************
>>>> WISPA, at least make an official statement to Ralph. Either, stating
>>>> that
>>>> WISPA, (not John), believes that WISPA' ethics statement achieves the
>>>> same
>>>> goals as Ralphs request, or, that WISPA is just plain rejecting the
>>>> idea -
>>>> with an explanation why..
>>>>
>>>> ******************************************
>>>>
>>>> Now, can you understand why their are people that would passionately
>>>> get
>>>> behind WISPA, if only an adult discussion, debate, and decision be
>>>> made.
>>>> Where is the leadership that makes these calls.. who makes these
>>>> decisions?
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry for obvious grammatical mistakes and typos, 4:00 AM comes
>>>> fast.
>>>>
>>>> Zack
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